THE FIVE8 TAKE with Diogo Cohea

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because it's pretty much going
to come from this.
Yeah, you sound good to me.
Sound all right?
Yeah.
This is pretty much a prop at this stage,
like...
What's been happening, bro?
Talk to me.
What's going on in your life?
You've gone on to this new endeavor,
which is eating raw chicken,
and it seems like it's just blown up.
So I just want to hear from you.
What's been happening?
What's going on in your life?
How do you feel going into this endeavor?
Is your tummy aching yet?
All right.
So I would say things are going good.
A little backstory there.
I'm sure you're aware of the
raw meat page.
I did a couple of years on that.
I would come on and off with it.
Sometimes I'd get bored and
disappear for a few months
with the Instagram and stuff.
But I just wanted to do something new.
And what happened was in December,
I posted just like an old
chicken video I had.
It was from like two and a half years ago.
You know,
like I look like pretty rugged in it.
It was like coming off the
end of like some health
problems and like some like
plant based diet stuff.
So it was like the beginning
of my like learning about.
learning from the carnivore
diet people and the
benefits of meat and stuff.
So I was in rough shape.
And I posted it on my
Instagram just to be like,
I can't believe this was
over two years ago.
I ate this raw chicken in
front of Whole Foods just
to see what would happen.
And I look definitely better now.
I was in rough shape.
And somehow it just caught
the algorithm for the first
time in a long time.
And that shit went kind of crazy.
So I don't know.
I got like 60,000 likes and
people were just commenting
like all day for like a month.
Just like, you can't eat raw chicken.
You're going to die.
Salmonella has entered the chat.
I'm just like seeing,
I'm seeing these same
comments over and over and over again,
like all day.
And it just kind of like, you know,
I get like,
I just want to do it more out
of like spite, you know,
to like anger people a little bit too.
And you know, like, yeah.
just like mess with people
because like in a way I'm
like I'm not like 100 sure
that what I'm doing is like
okay but I'm like 75 to 80
sure you know like so yeah
so I decided yeah I just I
decided I was like you know
what I'm gonna start a
fresh page chicken
experiment like it has the
potential to like catch on
in the algorithm and just
like trigger everybody and like blow up
And, like,
it had to be so that they didn't know,
like, my raw meat past.
Like, I just wanted it to look like just,
like,
some random dumbass is doing this
just to see what would happen and, like,
have it go viral.
And it worked.
Yeah, it's, like,
220,000 in nine days right now.
So that is insane.
That's, like, go on, go on, go on, go on.
I mean,
I've grown a bunch of pages in my past,
like,
I've been in like the meme, meme, uh,
business or like meme
making pages for like 10
years at this point.
You know,
it just started with like just
random jokes,
like not in like the diet world at all,
but this is by far the
fastest thing that I've ever grown,
you know?
And I want to get into the
origin story because I know
you did have some problems.
You were a vegan before as well,
like with some acne,
some back pains and things like that,
being on the Dr. Phil show.
And I want to get into all of that.
But just your initial story.
Because that's it.
When I first saw that page,
it was at 10K and now it's
at 200,000 in just a week and a half.
And at one stage,
you thought that it was a
bit shadow banned and then
it just suddenly just took
off and exploded.
And now you got, I guess,
this whole entire chicken community,
which is quite cool because
you can make a lot of memes from chicken.
But when you saw it
surpassing your raw meat,
what did you think then?
Yeah, I was just like, the amount...
of time.
Like, I mean,
I couldn't do the second page
really without the first page,
but just the amount of time
of like research,
talking to like thousands of people,
reading hundreds of books
and like writing these like
long detailed captions in
the raw meat page,
like the amount of work
that I put into that page.
And I never monetized it.
Like it was just a complete
hobby just for fun.
And so like,
it was just amazing to see like,
posting five videos of me
eating chicken without even
saying anything was like more,
was like better than, I mean, not better.
Cause like the community on
the raw meat page is amazing.
Like those people are like very, you know,
they know what I'm talking about.
They know what I'm doing.
And the new page is just
kind of like random people
from the explore page that, you know,
they don't really have any idea.
what I'm doing.
So it's a different community.
And I think having both of
them will be really fun to
figure out what to do with.
And because I like,
so I did a bit of eating
raw meat and I went on a
full carnivore diet when I
was going into the ADCC
competition in Australia,
which is this big jujitsu tournament.
And I went on an entire
carnivore diet and I ate
raw liver and ate
About two weeks in, you get the shits.
You get diarrhea.
Well, I did anyway,
especially the first week
as your body's adjusting to everything.
It's going, what is going on?
I need to get some things
out of this body immediately.
Yeah.
And then I also found that
even though I felt amazing
and I won that comp and
it's one of like incredible experience,
I did feel like there was
headaches that I got and I
had to later on add in fruits.
So then I just had a heavy meat diet plan.
with fruit to clear up the headaches?
Have you felt any headaches
or diarrhea or anything
first going into the meat
diet and then the chicken diet?
Yeah.
So basically I've only done small,
like one month meat only
like zero carb type stuff.
Cause my, my gate,
my gateway into the raw
world was raw milk.
So like I always had like,
I always had the carbs going.
Yeah.
I was never like the low carb team.
And since I had the milk,
like I always had the fruit going too.
So I, I'm like a,
always promoting like you
know I'm eating like 80 to
90 percent like animal
foods but I always kept
some plants in there's like
sauerkraut and kimchi a
couple there's a few things
that I just like to have in
my diet too so I didn't do
the hundred so you haven't
gone full carnivore before
so uh right you haven't
gone full carnivore I've
done a couple like you yeah
I've done a couple like 30 day runs
And I did,
I blew up the bathroom once or
twice on those.
I've listened to like tons
of carnivore podcasts and
stories and stuff.
So I know that that's a
pretty common attribute.
Having the bathroom troubles there.
Yeah.
But I think I've heard that
happening in changing diets
in other directions, too.
So I feel like it's just
like the bacteria in your
stomach or something is like, OK, well,
we were all here to eat
like bread and there's no
bread coming in.
So I think we got to go.
You know,
it's just like changing your
microbiome to adapt to your
new your new foods.
So you don't support a full
carnivore diet.
The meat is just an
experiment that you wanted to do,
which to me makes sense.
I think before we found fire, I think...
these, I don't know,
what do you call them?
Homo sapiens?
Would it just devoured some animals raw?
So I guess that makes sense.
I've always had that perspective.
So you've never actually
gone full carnivore.
You'd sort of eaten raw meat
in front of the camera and
then gone to a normal diet, essentially.
Is that right?
Yeah, I wouldn't say normal.
I would say like animal-based.
Yeah, gotcha.
It's like a...
I'm like,
I get 99% of my nutrients from
animal foods.
And then I eat like a small
amount of fruits and
vegetables just to keep
things interesting and fun.
What,
what do you like going into the
chicken diet and like, not chicken diet,
going into eating raw chicken, like what,
What does your parents say?
What does the people around you say?
Because obviously everyone's like,
all right, you're going to die.
I'm guessing the first thing
that everyone says is
you're going to die if you get this.
You're going to get salmonella.
These are probably the main
topics that's spoken.
What do you say?
And then what's your mental
battle to be like, all right,
I'm not going to die.
I'm just going ahead and I'm
going to do this.
Yeah.
So I think, I mean, I...
In the raw meat community online,
I'm pretty,
I have a lot of friends on
there that have eaten
chicken for like a number of years,
you know,
they're just like regular people
and they'll post like a
chicken ceviche that they
made or something.
So, I mean, I've seen it be done a lot.
I've done it like before this page,
I probably only ate raw
chicken like 10 times, just like,
you know, like once a month.
Just 10 times, dude.
So like I never did it like,
but I was always like,
Like at this point eating raw beef,
I'm like in my head,
it's like as dangerous as
drinking water to me and like chicken.
I'm still like, I don't know,
like maybe it's a gamble.
So I'm kind of like getting,
getting over my fear of this.
And also just like,
I need to see what's going to happen.
Part of it is a quality thing.
Like I think.
So in the raw meat community,
they'll say that like
bacteria and parasites
don't cause disease that
like the diseases come from
the poisons added to the food.
And then the bacteria and
parasites are blamed for it
because they're like at the
scene of the crime.
You know, does that make sense in a way?
So like it's like they'll
use the allegory of like.
Every time there's a fire,
like there's a fire truck,
so it's like you're blaming
You could blame the fire
truck because they're there
every time there's a fire,
but they're actually just there to help.
And the bacteria and parasites,
some of them are there to
help certain things.
Saying something is good or
bad in the microbiome is kind of like,
I wouldn't say a definite science.
So yeah,
a lot of people just say you
already have salmonella in your stomach.
A lot of people do.
And you're supposed to be
able to live with that.
So I think much of the
problems that would come
from raw chicken are
probably due to just what
they do to the chickens in
the factory farms.
You know, they're like extremely sick.
They're filled with pills
and antibiotics and
injections and eating
genetically modified soy and corn.
So it's like that's like an
animal that's just barely
even surviving in the first place.
But then it's like
you can't say chicken itself
just as an animal is going
to kill you because like in
japan you know like
restaurants in japan will
have raw chicken on the
menu and stuff like that so
it's not and like people
will bring up pork too and
then like in my dms like
everybody that lives in
germany is like oh yeah
like we eat raw pork at
parties once in a while and stuff
So like certain things are
like common in other areas.
And I think the United
States just kind of has
like the worst food.
You know,
it's like every everything is
tested here on the people
kind of like the factory
farms are just disgusting.
And all of the all of the
food in the stores is
pretty much just like not food in any way,
you know.
Yeah, as Australians,
we look over at Americans and be like,
how do you guys eat so much
processed food?
Like,
how do you put all of this into your
body?
And we all look at America
as that or one like one aspect.
It's a beautiful,
amazing country with so much creativity.
And another is just this
like self-destructing like
little part of the world.
You mentioned there that.
You just wanted to see what
happens if you ate raw chicken.
Why is that the case?
Why did you want to see how
far you could take this?
I guess part of it is like, just, you know,
like following your intrusive thoughts,
like, can I do this?
You know, just like,
what would it feel like?
Everybody is just always telling you, like,
you're going to get sick from this.
And like,
you don't really know anybody
yourself that has, I don't know.
I guess I just like to test
things and was willing to try it.
It's, I don't know.
People think it's crazy and
I'm sure it is a little bit crazy,
but also,
I've been in like, I mean,
my last page too, for two years,
I never got sick.
And I had also like 50,000
comments telling me that I
was going to the whole time.
So it's just kind of like
stepping it up another,
stepping it up to like season two.
I love it.
And the like going on,
like first of all how do you
even get the the call to go
on dr phil and what do you
think that experience was
like do you think because a
lot of the push that that I
see and I feel like there
is this weird I don't know
how how conspiratory you
get but I reckon there's
this mad thing against meat
like everyone should go
plant-based and um
you know,
there's an agenda 2050 that's to
get rid of meat.
Um, there's, you know,
this thing that moves
people into insects.
When you went on Dr. Phil,
did you feel like he was
pushing you and saying, why are you doing,
don't do this?
Or do you think he was just
like questioning you?
Yeah.
So the Dr. Phil thing, um,
One of the guys that worked
on the show was just like a
fan of the page.
He thought it was funny.
He liked the memes.
And he DMed me and was like, hey,
I work for Dr. Phil.
Would you ever want to go on?
And I was like, yeah, sure, whatever.
So he called me.
And he was like, you know what Dr. Phil is,
right?
And I was like, no.
I never watched it, but I kind of get it.
And he was like, he was like, you know,
they're not going to be
like on your side basically
is what he was saying.
And I was like, yeah, I was like, yeah,
I know.
Like you only get invited
onto Dr. Phil to like kind
of be made fun of, you know?
Like they're never really
going to hear you out.
Like they, their views are from like,
this person is stupid.
And then all the people at
home on the couch,
like eating Cheetos are like, Oh,
that person's stupider than me.
So it just makes people feel good.
But, um,
I went anyway because he was like,
I know you like to like you
can you can take the jokes and stuff,
you know, like so I went on anyway.
It took like a while.
He was like,
they just waited till there
was a food episode and then
they said I could go on.
So they paid me or they didn't pay me,
but they paid for the hotel
and the flight to go to L.A.
So I went I went with my girlfriend and.
And they like pick you up in
a little van at like five
in the morning and bring
you over to the place.
It was pretty fun.
And I mean,
they did like practice like
pre-interviews.
And I talked to them for like two hours.
They asked me like a hundred questions.
And like,
they were like really like
amazingly open and understanding, like,
wow, this is actually really cool.
And the other people that were on the show,
there was like a raw vegan
and like three people that
went to the hospital from Ozempic.
So like, there was no like theme really.
The theme was like,
don't try diets you see online,
even though like mine was
the only one that didn't
have a bad ending, you know?
And yeah.
So somehow they like threw
me in with that.
And once I actually got on the show though,
and like sat with him,
it was just like three minutes,
basically.
I mean,
he showed the slideshow of like a
few pictures and like the
before and after he was like,
so you were plant-based and I mean,
you look a lot healthier.
And basically they ended it with like,
but one day you're going to get sick.
That's pretty much what it was.
It wasn't so much like the
anti meat propaganda.
They didn't really go that
direction with it.
And I'm with you on that,
like the entire powers that
be are going in that direction.
But for that,
it was just kind of like raw
meat is dangerous,
even though you did it for
600 days and you're fine.
And we have no explanation for that.
But we Googled it and it's bad.
So that's pretty much what happened.
How shiny was his head?
The craziest thing is I'm like 6'1".
So I was like,
this guy's about to roast me,
but hopefully I'm at least
taller than him.
And he's like 6'5".
I was like, damn.
Is he that big?
Is Dr. Phil that big?
Dr. Phil is like 6'5".
the big dog guy that's
hilarious that yeah go on
and he was like damn what
was I gonna say I don't
know he was just like he's
been doing this for so long
he just has the notebook
and like he's not even
really there you know he's
like you're like the
80,000th person I've
interviewed and it was his
final season so it wasn't I
don't know I feel like it
could have been better but
it was still a fun experience to go there
What's your favorite
question that they asked
you out of all the
questions that they had?
I'm sure you've been like
asked heaps of the same
questions over and over and over again.
What's the question that you thought like,
actually, that's that's different.
They put some thought into that.
I yeah, I got.
Yeah.
You know, something to say about that.
I feel like, yeah,
during the pre-interviews,
they asked a lot of questions, just like,
how did you get into this?
And what are the benefits?
And so I think he read some of that stuff.
Because one quote that he said,
he was like, well, I've read your stuff.
And you're actually a very
intelligent person, basically.
I don't know.
He didn't call anyone else
intelligent on the show.
So I felt good about that.
But he, he was like, basically like,
you seem intelligent,
but why are you doing this?
Something that's so dumb,
but I don't know.
He didn't,
they didn't get into any
question that I could have
actually explained
something that would have
taught anyone something.
He was just basically like,
so you eat raw meat.
Do you,
do you kiss your girlfriend after that?
That was like pretty much it.
And the whole audience was like,
and my girlfriend was like
right there in the front.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, I did.
I did say that part.
Yeah.
I feel like it was just like a very short,
I don't know.
It was like a roasting, but like he,
he didn't go too hard on me for,
for Dr. Phil history, you know?
Yeah.
Now,
I do think you sort of cornered him
because you have progressed
better and there's nothing
that they could they really
had that was like, well, see here,
you got sick here by doing this.
It's like you did this and
there's these incredible
results from your past to now,
which I don't think he
could have really picked anything at.
So that's probably probably why.
Yeah,
the only thing he could say is that
you're going to get sick in the future.
That's all they had.
Yeah, exactly.
So you went, initially you were vegan.
So let's run through that.
Why did you go vegan?
And how did you feel when you were vegan?
And why did you think to yourself,
all right,
fuck this, I'm going carnival.
Yeah.
So, all right.
I would say, yeah,
I grew up on like the
standard American diet, um,
which is just like, you know, not,
not going to lead anyone to a good place.
And I just never like felt great.
I forget what age it was.
I wouldn't say I was vegan vegan.
I was plant-based,
eating mostly plant-based
stuff and following vegan
influencers and watching
the vegan documentaries.
But if I was going out to
eat with my friends to get
pizza and stuff, I wasn't strict.
Just at home when I was
shopping for myself,
I would only get vegan stuff.
I just like to clear that up
because like the vegan
people will be like,
you weren't a hundred
percent vegan the whole time.
It's like, okay, I was, you know, like 80,
90% plant-based the whole time.
I'm drinking.
Do you get flack from them?
Not, not as much as I thought I would,
you know, but I,
I still follow tons of vegan influencers,
you know, and I like,
I'll tag the raw vegans and
stuff and be like, yeah,
this is me and my friend.
We both eat raw,
but they disagree with me a little bit.
And just to see their reactions.
And they're like, you're not my friend.
I'm like, we're on the same team.
We're both anti-cooking a
little bit sometimes.
but yes I just you know got
general health problems you
go on netflix or google or
anything to find out how to
heal yourself and you end
up finding all of the
plant-based stuff easy or
and this was like before
any of like there was any
like carnivore influencers
or anything like that you
know so yeah you find the
vegan stuff and I'm like oh
people who have cancer can
just like go to a hospital
in Mexico and drink nothing
but fruit juice for a month and cure it.
And you're finding all that stuff.
And then I followed like
freely the banana girl.
If you've, if you know her,
she was like 30 bananas a
day is all you need to live.
And so me and my friends
were like buying like boxes
full of bananas and like
blending them all over the
place and stuff.
And yeah, that just like led to even worse,
I would say.
Um,
eventually that was worse health
problems.
Yeah.
Gotcha.
Yeah.
I just like, wasn't doing great.
And it got to the point I'd
say like four years ago where I was just,
I was like driving,
I was living in LA and I
was driving around and I
was getting these like dizzy feelings, uh,
taking naps like every day.
Like my skin was really bad for like many,
many years.
Like people in the videos now will be like,
your skin's not perfect.
I'm like, OK,
but it was like horrible before.
And it's probably going to
take a long time to like I
can tell I'm not like in pain, you know,
so like it's obviously better for me.
But yeah,
it's like getting dizzy and stuff.
And like I hadn't been to
the doctor in like a very,
very long time.
And my girlfriend was like,
let's just go to CVS and
like see if you have
diabetes or something.
so I went and got tested and
like they said,
everything was like pretty good.
And since I was eating
mostly plants to like, Oh,
your cholesterol is low, you know, like,
of course it is.
But, um,
yeah so when you when you
got tested when you got
tested as a vegan uh what
did I say was really good
like did I say all your
levels was good and your
cholesterol was low is that
yeah yeah they were like
yeah your cholesterol is
great not everything looks
fine no diabetes and I was
like I thought for like a
while that I had diabetes but
Really,
I was probably just getting dizzy
because I was eating like so many carbs.
I don't know.
It was like I would survive
like half the day on like smoothies.
So I'm like blending like.
I had the whole 40 mason
jars filled with different
seeds and powders,
adding every fruit and
vegetable I could find.
And I was just trying to
cover one of these is going to help.
Eventually,
I'll find the perfect superfood
powder at Whole Foods
that's going to make me
feel better again.
And it just never works that way.
And then, yeah, so one of my really,
really long-term friends
was just messaging me on
Facebook or something.
And he started messaging me.
I forget.
It was one of the meat guy,
anti-vegan guys.
And I was like,
how could you be anti-vegan?
Why would you be against
people who are trying to help?
That's the same line that they always say.
But I was open to it because
it was my long-term friend
who was an extremely
annoying vegan for many years.
he was like, you know,
like he had like a big long
beard and he was like a
hippie and he was yelling
at people for eating meat.
So I trusted him because he like,
he switched teams like that.
So I started watching them
and then just got kind of
got like addicted to it.
Just like watching like
thousands of hours of
YouTube videos of people that were like,
I ate meat and got better.
And like, it gave me hope.
So I went to,
I just kind of,
I went to Costco and for breakfast,
I was just eating like a
steak with like 10 eggs and
I would be full for like
almost the whole day
instead of like getting
dizzy two hours later and
being hungry again.
So I was like starting my
day with steak and eggs is amazing.
I'm listening to like
Saladino and Sean Baker and
got into all the meat-based
podcaster people.
And I made a page called-
That's who got me.
Yeah, I made a page called- Sean Baker,
Sean Baker.
yeah yeah on like joe rogan
yeah that that got me over
the line but yeah so then I
yeah I made a meme page
called meat-based news
because I always like it
because plant-based news is
like the big like vegan one
so I made meat-based news
and it was just to like
make memes about the stuff
I was learning about like
listening to all the
podcasts it's just kind of like how i
Yeah, digesting it.
And I just wanted to make
friends in the community so
we could talk about stuff like that.
So that worked pretty good.
I didn't use any of my old
Instagram meme pages to
help that one out because
it was just so a different topic.
So I had to start that one just at zero.
I just would go on the page,
make a bunch of memes, and then...
I'd go to the explore page
and type in my hashtag
carnivore and just start
like following everyone in
there liking their pictures
commenting and it took like
a couple months,
I had a few thousand followers.
And that's like.
I guess I started learning
about raw milk at that point.
and going into the books and
what the heat does to the
nutrients of the milk and
why raw is easier to digest
because of the enzymes and
got deep into that.
And I was living in Venice.
Can you explain that real quick?
Can you explain that real quick?
Yeah.
So I guess the reason that
people like raw milk better
than pasteurized is because
I mean, people will show charts.
So like the pasteurized milk,
it'll say like 50% reduced or like this,
this nutrient is completely
destroyed by heat.
So they'll have the list.
And like, when you, when you cook the milk,
it kills a certain
percentage of the nutrients
and all of the bacteria and enzymes.
And yeah.
So the enzymes and the bacteria have like
a purpose, you know, like people eat kefir,
yogurt and all of these
things for the bacteria.
So, I mean,
killing it just makes it like a
food that doesn't properly
function as it's supposed to,
like partially destroyed.
And you hear a lot of
stories about people that
were lactose intolerant and
then they can drink raw
milk because like the
correct enzymes that
digested are still in there,
but the heat kills them.
So that's basically, I mean, yeah,
there's a lot of stuff that
goes into that.
There's a few
Good.
There's a book called The
Untold Story of Milk.
It covers like the history of milk,
the history of like cows
being brought to the United
States and people living off of them,
the history of like people
getting sick from the milk
in New York and like why
they started pasteurization
and the differences between
raw and cooked and stuff.
So that book,
I've read it a couple of
times and that one, like it,
It covers a lot of different topics,
like the enzyme topic and
stuff like that.
So, yeah, I mean,
that's basically why... Like,
do you guys have raw milk in Australia?
Yeah, so we do, actually.
How do I say this?
In New South Wales, the state that I'm in,
raw milk is illegal.
And there's this thing called Cleopatra,
which is...
raw milk but it's sold as
bathing I don't know it
like is this illegal okay
I've seen I've seen people
like it's sort of like that
yeah yeah so you you you
you bathe with the milk and
that's what it's sold but
it's illegal to have raw
milk and drink raw milk
okay I'm in florida right now and
You can buy it at a lot of
places like farm stands and
like butcher shops,
but it's sold only for to
give to your pets.
So you're not allowed to
sell it for human
consumption here either.
Isn't that interesting?
I want to get back to your
transition from veganism to
a meat-based diet,
but what do you think that is?
Why is there such a block on raw milk?
We're adults.
Why can't we just go and
purchase raw milk and drink raw milk?
So, I mean,
what they'll tell us is that it
was dangerous at certain times.
The bacteria or the viruses
that you can get from the milk,
they're protecting us, you know?
So that's why they'll have
SWAT teams going to like
some small little farm of
like a mom and pop that
have been selling milk to
their neighbors for 100 years.
That's definitely what they're doing.
I mean,
if you ask the conspiracy person of me,
It's because that's who I want to ask.
What does the conspiracy
person of you think?
So milk is filtered blood
that has like every nutrient in it.
You know, like people can,
you can live off milk.
In that book,
I was just talking about the
stories of people that like
something happened to their
throat when they were a
baby and they lived off milk till they,
there was cases up to like
45 and they were still healthy at 45.
Like they lived off nothing
but raw milk for 45 years.
And we're just telling their
stories about how they felt.
And they were like,
I feel healthier than like
most of the people around me.
So, I mean, it's like, and you know,
it was used in like blood
transfusions in hospitals
at certain times and stuff.
So it's like one of the
closest things to like a
perfect food and just like
a person with a cow in
there with cows in their backyard.
can feed like this great
nutrition to their entire neighborhood.
And it just kind of ruins
the control of like,
you need to be buying all
of your food from these
stores and you need to be
getting your medications
and nutrients from,
it's just putting too much
control into the people.
If you can like live off an
animal with an unlimited
supply of nutrients like that, I think.
it's putting too much power
into the people's hand and
they want to control their powers.
Yeah.
I mean, food is like,
food is like the number one
way to control people.
Like if you,
if you had unlimited food in
your backyard,
like you're not going to be
working 60 hours a week in a city,
you know, you're just like, I mean,
some people would, but it's,
it's the ultimate control.
So, I mean, yeah, the milk thing, I mean,
you can get alcohol and
coffee and every other
thing any any like dangerous
drug from the hospital and
all these things that are
can possibly ruin people's
lives and then like milk
that's been used for like
10 000 years is somehow the
thing that's a problem
It's wild.
And, um, yeah, so back to, uh,
your transition from, uh, veganism, uh,
to carnivore.
So you started these main pages, um,
and you started the meat news, uh,
and then you,
you started discussing these
topics with the,
I guess the carnival base,
I guess it'll be rather than the,
the meat base.
And then you were moving
into the meat based diet
rather than carnival diet.
Yeah.
Yeah,
I was in that crew and a lot of
people were just talking
about the milk thing,
got into the milk thing,
learned about the nutrients thing.
And I was in Venice Beach
where there was all these,
it's like the bodybuilder capital.
So there's just a lot of
stories of the people that
were there drinking raw eggs.
So I started just testing out that.
And then like the raw liver too, you know,
like that's somehow that's
like the like socially
acceptable raw meat in like
the carnivore community
only is raw liver.
So I started doing that.
And then I thought about like,
why not try something else?
You know, like,
I'm eating raw liver.
I was making raw liver
smoothies in the morning with raw milk,
raw eggs, and raw liver.
And at first,
I thought it was kind of disgusting.
And after a few weeks,
I started kind of liking it.
The milk and the liver, I don't know.
It's kind of a good mix.
And I would use that instead
of coffee to wake up in the morning,
give you that liver zap.
And I was just wondering, it's like,
what...
Why am I like scared to like
try a raw steak, but raw liver is okay?
So that's when I decided
that was probably like,
I probably ran that page for like a year,
that meme page.
And then I was like a lot of,
I just made some friends
that were eating raw everything.
Like I saw videos of them
doing it and it just like
kind of like unlocked like a,
like why is this like so
like disgustingly interesting to me?
So I just wanted to do an experiment.
And that's when I started
raw meat experiment.
I was like, yeah,
like I'm not the first
person in the world to do this,
but I want to just start on day one.
Like I'm being recorded.
I'm telling you exactly what
I got and where eating it
and seeing what happens, you know, like.
So I'm not like gatekeeping
any information.
Like I'm just like a normal person.
Like I'm just going to eat
this raw from I did it at
Whole Foods because it was
right down the street.
And I just thought it was
like funny to eat raw meat
outside of Whole Foods as
like a meme and just like
maybe see some people's
reactions and stuff like that.
Because it's like I bought it there.
I should be able to eat it
at the tables out there, you know.
And I found that so bizarre
that you just went to a
large chain like Whole
Foods and grabbed a packet
of mince meat and then just
started chewing on it.
instead of like going to you
know like if if I was gonna
do it I I'd like want to
like go into this little
market maybe like a uh you
know a butcher and get like
the best quality meat and
then just like eat that but
you're like nah I'm just
gonna go to my whole foods
and I'm just gonna get a
packet I'm gonna open it
and I'm gonna eat it which
is appealing like it is appealing
Yeah, it was funny and it like turned into,
you know, it was like half meme,
half real experiment.
I'm sure the chicken page is
kind of the same.
So I like to do these things.
I mean,
if you make a lot of people try to
make a page and like, just be like,
I'm correct.
What you're doing is stupid, you know,
and like way too like
serious and like preachy.
And if I ever did that,
like it doesn't work,
especially for raw meat.
Cause like,
it's just like funny and
like just unhinged you know
and like the normal
person's mind so like I
have to make it funny to
get people to even start to
listen to my understanding
you know and it worked like
I i make it into a joke I
make the captions like
these like long unhinged
stories but after like
reading it for a few weeks
people are like oh I
actually I actually get it now or like
Most people will be like,
I thought you were crazy.
Now I get it.
I still don't want to eat raw meat,
but like I added raw milk
or like raw eggs to my diet
and I stopped eating processed foods.
So that's pretty much what I'm trying to,
the raw meat,
like it is something I believe in,
but it's also just a good
way to get attention to like,
I tell people all the time,
I'm like 95% of your
problems would go away if
you just like ate whole foods.
You know, if you stopped processed foods,
that's all you need to do.
Eat meat, vegetables, fruit,
whatever you want to do.
Like you don't have to pick
a team or anything.
You just,
if you stop eating processed
foods for like six months,
like you're probably going
to be in better,
way better shape than you were.
So it's bringing attention
to stuff like that, you know,
the whole seed oils thing.
There's just so many food
topics you can cover in the captions.
And like,
people also just like seeing me
eat weird stuff.
So that kind of just like
brings attention to it.
And the chicken will be
probably harder to do that.
Cause like, I don't know.
I feel like the raw meat followers came.
from the animal-based
community mostly and the
chicken people are coming
just from like just from
nowhere like these people
are just like I just wanna
I just wanna see where if
this guy dies like I i
don't think they're
interested in diet
whatsoever and stuff like that
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I was running through the,
one of the comments was hilarious.
Um, it was like, oh no,
he's not going to make it to GTA six.
Yeah.
That's like the best.
Yeah.
So they're just, but I mean,
they're extremely funny people.
I mean, I'd say 50, 50,
half of them are like,
this is the stupidest thing
I've ever seen.
And then like, you look at their picture.
And it's like,
not a person I would take
diet advice from anyway.
I feel like they're very creative.
They're very creative, the chicken page.
You go into that comment
section and it is a bit of laugh.
It's pure chaos.
I love it.
And the DMs are amazing too.
Like I've shared like a
million on the story if you saw that.
Yeah, yeah.
I see.
It's cool that you've made
some highlights of them as well.
Yeah, yeah.
Which is really cool.
So I feel like, yeah,
it's like if you just
stumble across the page, you'll be like,
I hope this guy dies
because I don't know anything about him.
And this is stupid.
And then you start seeing
like the funny comments and
the memes in the story.
And eventually, you know,
like half of them will be like, OK,
this is kind of funny.
And I think I like this person.
And half of them will still be like,
I hope he dies.
But that's that's just the Internet.
You know,
I put that on myself by doing a
raw chicken experiment.
Do you do this live as well?
Have you thought about doing it like,
you know, on TikTok live, for example?
Because it is annoying as a creator.
Instagram doesn't really support creators,
I feel.
Like, you know, YouTube, Rumble,
TikTok live does like...
Yeah.
TikTok also has a similar
model to Instagram when it
comes to Australia specifically.
I think Spain, England,
they have a few pockets
where they do have the
YouTube model where it's like,
we'll put ads on your
videos and you get a return on it.
I've got some videos that are like 200K,
a million.
And you don't get anything
in Australia unless you go live and then,
you know,
you got the community supporting
you and you do it that way.
Have you like done any live
videos before eating this stuff live?
Today was the first one.
Oh, you did one today?
Yeah,
I did one today just on the chicken page.
I ate like two chicken
breasts and like a bunch of liver,
chicken liver.
And I just did it.
I did it at the park today and I was like,
chicken liver actually
tasted good like I was kind
of surprised it tasted
better than cow liver I
think and you drink the
juices dude you drink the
chicken juices what do you
mean you had to you didn't
have to at all I got there
and it was a thought in my
head and I was like you know
I brought the little shot
glass with me and I was like,
I think the most disgusting
thing I could possibly do
is just dump this.
It's just like,
I don't know that video,
that video went so viral.
It's on like,
I've seen it on like 45 Twitter,
Reddit posts, like everywhere.
And it's just like, cause to me,
that's just like waking up
in the morning and going to
make like a funny video.
And like, I'll,
I'll text it to my friends
before I post it and just be like,
look at this shit today, bro.
And, uh,
But like looking at it as an outsider,
it's like this random dude
in a suit is at the park
with like a minion cup and
he just stares into the
camera with like a dead
face and drinks the chicken
juice out of a shot glass.
It's like just the most insane shit.
A hundred percent.
It's so insane, but it's so good.
And like, I guess your meme,
it works with the whole meme background,
everything.
Like it is captivating, you know,
you're like watching it and you're like,
what is he doing?
But I got to keep watching
and see if this guy dies or not.
Yeah.
And it's like, I don't know.
I always want it to be
Like, you know, all the health influencers,
like they're amazing,
but like not many of them
are like willing to like
joke about themselves or like anything.
And my, my history is like, I mean,
all of my income is from
like making memes for
brands and other pages.
So like I get paid to be funny, you know,
for like other people,
like ghostwriting memes for
meme pages and stuff like that.
So basically like back in
the day I made some pages, you know,
they did pretty good.
And then that's basically
like your resume.
They're like, Hey,
you have 800,000 followers
on a meme page.
Like,
do you want to make memes for my thing?
So that's,
that's what I've been doing for
like eight years now.
So I just use like comedy to,
it's like a kind of like,
it's a comedy page, but like,
if you really are interested,
Like you can learn,
you can learn some actual
helpful information from it, you know?
And all my old projects were like,
like dog memes or like, you know,
like just like nothing.
It was fine, but like,
it's not something I was
passionate about.
You can't learn from it.
Like now I can like share
books and podcasts and
things that will like
actually help people figure
out how to help themselves and
And just from the amount of
DMs that I get that are thanking,
I get a lot of hate.
Raw meat is one of the most
hateable things you could possibly do.
But I also just get tons of
people that are like, hey,
I'm not into raw meat personally,
but I changed these five
things about my diet after
reading your captions.
And I've had the best year of my life.
Thank you for...
And these are people that
would never like follow Paul Saladino,
you know, they're like,
I'm following like a meme
page that's about raw meat.
Cause that's like just a
crazy thing to make a meme page about.
And then you kind of end up
like slowly brainwashing
them through that.
So it's just like a pulse.
He's, he's one of my favorites.
Yeah, me too.
He's fantastic.
But go on.
It was just you were about to finish it.
I don't.
Yeah, we're good there.
But yeah, Paul Saladino is really cool.
We've talked a decent amount.
Yeah,
he was meant to come on a podcast in
the middle of COVID.
And then something happened with him.
And then he wanted to reschedule.
And then we're going to get that done.
One question that I have from...
few people that I've asked
if they want to ask you
something and you did touch
on this a little bit but
I'll put it to you what's
your thoughts on factory
farms and the quality of
foods that they produce
versus grass-fed
pasture-raised and
regenerative regenerative farming yeah so
I try and teach people and promote,
you know,
the closest to nature that you
can get is going to be the
best for everything.
But of course,
we're in a time where due to
like the financial system
and everything else that's going on,
like the eat what you can
afford people are also right.
Like, you do need meat as a human.
And if all you can afford is
factory farm stuff,
that's going to be better
than not eating meat.
And I would cook that too.
I eat cheaper stuff sometimes.
I eat cooked food sometimes.
There's no secret about that.
I tell people I eat mostly raw.
I eat mostly animals.
But I keep everything open.
I don't have any rules about what I eat.
Yeah, so I try to tell people like,
you know,
a cow eating grass outside has
like a 99% chance of being a healthy cow.
The ones in the factory farms,
they're just like so unnatural,
injected with things on
drugs that there's a very
high chance it's going to be a sick cow,
you know,
like a person eating the
standard American diet or
something like that.
It's just it produces
unhealthy animals and
they're not getting all of
the nutrition that they should be.
So it's not going to be as
good for your body.
It's not going to be good for the animals.
It's not going to be good for, you know,
they grow all the monocrop
stuff covered in pesticides
to feed a lot of these animals, too.
So, I mean, you're destroying soil.
Overall,
it seems like something that can't
last forever doing it that way.
Like the regenerative stuff
is obviously great.
But yeah, I mean,
it can be pretty expensive.
A lot of the times lately I've been eating,
I get the,
it says a hundred percent grass
fed beef at Aldi.
I don't know if you guys have Aldi,
but it's like a cheaper
grocery store and it's like $5 a pound.
And like, if I go to the farmer's market,
to get grass fed beef,
it'll be like 14 or something, you know?
So it's like,
I eat the Aldi stuff raw all the time.
I don't know.
I've never got sick from it, but yeah,
I mean,
if I had unlimited money or like
start figuring out how to
monetize something online
and make more money,
I would just never eat
factory farm food again.
Why?
Why does seed oils kill us?
Seed oils, well,
it's partially just because
they're like so incredibly
far from nature.
That's pretty much the theme
of everything.
The further you get from nature,
the worse it seems to get for you.
But it also just like displaces animal fat,
which is like one of the
most important ways to get
nutrients and energy in an
animal that eats other animals like us.
So I think it's a mix of those two things.
I mean, eating is close to nature.
Like people will say like,
this is my natural diet, but it's like,
does your natural diet has
to exist in nature by definition,
you know?
So it's like, you know,
that's why like the vegans eating,
like if you need
supplements that were
invented over the last 50
years for your diet to work properly,
then like, it's clearly not,
the natural diet of your
species so seed oils it's
just you can't invent
something that's better
than what already worked
because there's already I
mean in like weston price
and just all of these like
examples of people living
around the world with
perfect health, living 80 to 100 years,
no obesity, no diabetes, no cancer,
eating from nature.
And they all eat like an animal-based diet,
some of them 100% animal foods,
some of them mostly animal foods.
They eat meat and organs and
seafood and whatever,
but it's always animal-based.
But basically what I'm getting at is,
Like there's unlimited
evidence of humans living perfect,
100% full, healthy lives,
eating from nature and
nothing ever needed to be
invented to change that.
And everything that has been
invented to change that has
made it worse.
And I mean,
some people would say that's on purpose.
I would probably be on that team.
I hear you.
Are you taking blood samples
throughout this process?
No, I haven't been.
I did a couple of times.
I was doing a stick of
butter a day experiment
just to see what happened
to my cholesterol.
It only lasted like three
weeks on that one.
I think it was like too much
fat for me to digest at the time.
So it came out and after three weeks,
it started coming out in a
liquid form on the other side.
But yeah,
I was going to do like testing
like once a month for that
and show it publicly.
My cholesterol,
it went up like 100 points
from the time I tested when
I was plant-based.
And I mean,
I don't see that as a bad thing.
The doctor was like, it's not bad now,
but just be careful pretty much.
But, you know,
the cholesterol people will say like,
A lot of them say like high
cholesterol makes you live
longer or in certain ways,
natural cholesterol,
not like cholesterol from
processed foods or something.
What about your test levels?
Where were they at?
I haven't been tested for that.
Oh, test for that, John.
That's what we want to know.
Yeah.
I want to know if there's
these increases or decreases.
I mean,
I can definitely just tell as like
a human being.
Yeah.
What would you say?
What would you say?
Yeah.
I mean,
on the plant-based diet and all of
that for that long of a time,
like I just know as a
person from like my energy
and motivation and
everything that it was slow and
And I mean,
just over the last couple of
years of being on an
extremely meat heavy diet,
I can tell that like
everything's going uphill.
I don't think I'm at like, you know,
like David Goggins level of
like motivation and energy,
but I can definitely tell
that I'm doing better.
Like your muscle mass has improved,
like your body composition, your mood.
Yeah.
Like your cognition and
everything on the meat diet
you'd say has improved from
your vegan diet.
Oh, yeah, for sure.
Gotcha.
I got a couple more for you, right?
Yeah.
Let's say that I don't know
how deep you are with the WEF,
but in this podcast, we're not a fan.
We're not a fan.
Gotcha.
All right.
But let's say CloudShop is one.
It's 2050.
They've got everyone eating bugs.
What are you going to do then?
Where's the content going to be at?
Well,
I'm not going to be a bug influencer
because I'm never going to play the game.
I know...
Sometimes, you know,
I get these like dark
thoughts where I'm like,
I could just make a vegan
meme page and sell like sea
moss and probably make like
a million dollars.
And I'm like,
I can't do it and still sleep at night.
So I have to promote raw meat,
which nobody gives a shit about.
But yeah,
I couldn't go down the bug route.
I'm sure I would like live
in some like underground
community that has like
some sort of meat connect
you know I would probably
be like like a drug dealer
but for like beef jerky in
that society I'll be in
that society purchasing
I'll be a customer for sure
where I'll wear like a mask
and be like traveling in
the sewers delivering beef
jerky to people
Get me a full case.
Talk me through the new
podcast you've launched.
How did that start?
And yeah, it's called Meat Sweat Podcast.
Is that right?
The Meat Sweats.
Meat Sweats Podcast.
Yes.
Talk me through that.
There's just so many people
that I talk to in the DMs
that have cool stories.
So I just want to be able to share them.
like it's going to be a mix of like,
you know, any,
anybody in the health community, like the,
any low carb carnivore people,
I'm probably not going to
cover any plant-based people.
It's going to be like a,
I was also thinking of
doing like a meat heels,
like calling it something like that.
Cause like,
I want the theme to be like
meat helped me is pretty
much what I want the theme to be,
but also just like the
first episode I did was with this guy and
Um, Mike Keane,
he just randomly emailed me
and he was like,
I just kayaked 2000 miles
across Greenland eating
nothing but like seagull
eggs and seal meat that he did like the,
the Inuit diet for six months.
And he tested everything
tested as he sent in poop samples,
his blood lost like 20 pounds.
And yeah,
he's going back in like two
months to do the same diet again,
but without the insane
amount of kayaking through
the ocean and icebergs.
So just to like see what
happens on that diet with
the exercise and without
the exercise and compare that.
So I just thought it was
like an insanely interesting story.
And like the things that
they were eating up there, you know,
they're like,
He has kind of like,
what's the limit on
bacteria and rotting meat?
Because around the world,
a lot of people eat some
weird stuff like that.
So he said one of the things
they do up there is they'll throw a net,
catch 500 of these little seabirds,
and then they put all of
the seabirds inside of a dead seal,
bury it for a year,
and then they open it up
and eat all of the rotting birds.
And it's just like one of
their favorite foods.
You kind of get like high off.
I've heard of Eskimos like
getting high off of like fermented fish,
like when there's so much
bacteria and it's like so
rotten after many, many months,
like you kind of get like a,
like a euphoria from it.
So yeah, he's just into stuff like that.
And I was like,
you talk to people in the
DMS and it's like,
I can't be the only person
hearing about this.
So the podcast is just to
share stories like that.
I, I got this mic for it,
but the chicken page kind of,
took off right after and I'm
working on a few other
projects so uh I haven't
got episode two up yet
episode two is going to be
with the seed oil destroyer
whatever his name is he
just he makes like
anti-seed oil memes he's a
friend of mine yeah so this
is you know all the topics
that I'm sure you would
cover the same I love it
and everyone can follow you
spotify youtube and all the
platforms yeah
Yeah, I'm getting them loaded up.
I haven't figured it out yet.
And just a couple more
before I let you go because
it is nighttime there and
you can go party, you know,
do your thing.
Yeah, we're going to dinner.
Nice, nice.
Someone getting into a meat-based diet,
who would you recommend
they follow and where do
you recommend they start?
if I was I always like
recommend paul saladino to
people that come into my
dms they're like hey I have
psoriasis and I'm wondering
if raw meat will help I'm
never like this is what you
have to do I'm like I think
you should start learning
about an animal-based diet
natural foods you know
follow follow somebody like
paul saladino and he'll
just he'll just learn how
to help yourself like
you can take it to raw meat, you know,
like people do that,
but like the chances that
somebody is going to do that is very low.
And also like,
I just wouldn't recommend
going directly into that.
Like there's,
there's some things to learn
first and then you can like
play around with that if you want.
Gotcha.
Yeah.
He's fantastic.
Especially that he brings up studies and,
um, yeah, he's quiet.
And I would also,
I would say for like a book, this, uh,
just like the Western price, you know,
you're familiar.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it's just like,
just so much evidence of
what people looked like
before and after processed foods,
basically.
And evidence that like,
he went out looking for
vegetarian societies that
were healthy and never
found any and was like, okay, we're,
we're a meat based people, you know?
Yeah.
And that'll be in the description below.
Um,
Kangaroo meat.
You ate kangaroo meat
straight up the packet.
What's your thoughts on raw kangaroo?
It's quite a lean meat,
not much fat on it.
What was your thoughts on that?
It was possibly the leanest
meat I ever had.
I thought it was pretty good.
It tasted, I would say, like deer.
You know, like a deer that's all muscle,
like a deer that stands up
on two legs and probably
like runs out into the
highway over there.
You guys got a lot of them, huh?
We don't get much and it was
expensive too because it
probably had to come a long way.
they're actually an
interesting fact about
kangaroos is they're
considered pests they can't
be caged up um so we can't
have these big factory
farming of kangaroos so
they get into distress and
then just fall and collapse
and die um which is quite
interesting uh with
kangaroos um so yeah so the
taste was just like deer
essentially yeah it was
pretty pretty much like
venison it tasted a little like
you know, like livery when I had it.
Like when I have like the
beef packs that have like
the five or 10% organs in them.
It tasted like that a little bit too.
Yeah.
But it was just, there was,
I don't think there was
like a molecule of fat in the package.
Okay.
John,
if I was to try just straight raw meat,
What meat should I try first?
All right.
So when I recommend people-
And I'm going to do this.
I'm going to do this.
I'm going to do this.
So give me a tasty meat out
of all the raw meats that
there is without cooking.
What's the one meat I should try first?
I would go with like a lean
grass-fed steak.
That would be-
It's the best bet, you know, but.
Are you talking like a Scotch fillet?
Are you talking like a rump?
What are we working with here?
I'm like a top sirloin kind of guy.
Do you guys have that?
Okay.
Yep.
Yeah, something like that.
I mean,
if you want like a really good dish,
of course,
steak tartare would be the best.
You could make that out of the same cut.
I'm big into the taste of raw seafood.
So I mean,
ceviche is like one of my
favorite foods of all time.
And I mean, raw swordfish is amazing.
Oysters are like normal sushi.
You know,
fish is kind of like the like
halfway socially acceptable raw meat.
And then beef is where
people get a little scared.
But yeah, for raw meat,
like I feel like some
people say fish doesn't count.
So I'm going to go with just
like a good lean steak.
Good lean steak.
All right.
By the next time we speak,
I will eat a good lean steak of meat.
John, it's been a pleasure, my brother.
Raw Chicken Experiment is the new project.
It is exploding.
Really cool to see your growth.
And especially in the last two weeks,
it's surpassed your other
page and you've built a
whole new community,
which is really cool.
I've followed you for a long
time I suggest everyone go
follow you and just because
I love the honesty on it
you start on camera raw and
you eat and you say all
right I'm going to see
what's going to happen and
that's my favorite way of
doing science so I really
appreciate it and thank you
so much for being on I'm
going to put all the links
in the description as well
and the floors to you if
you like to leave them with
anything else that sounds good to me i
Appreciate you having me on, bro.
Yeah.
When you asked me to be on here,
it was like the page was
pretty small and now it's
like kind of going crazy.
So yeah, I appreciate my first,
my first podcast as the raw chicken guy.
And yeah, it's just,
it's going to be a fun page.
We'll see what happens with it.
Chicken gang, chicken gang to the moon.
Let's go.
Let's go.
Pleasure, brother.
Thank you so much.
Thanks for having me, bro.